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mike lucas

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welcome everybody to paying radio

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tonight is sunday

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june 14th 2015 happy flag day to all you

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considered a canadian by my speech but

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you know it is what it is welcome to

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paying radio tonight we have on kevin

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randle we're gonna discuss roswell

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slides and

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any other topic and we're gonna actually

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open the lines if anybody wants to ask

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kevin a question during the show we're

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co-host ken is hanging with me hello ken

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hey and uh happy flag day and to all the

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men and women that uh serve our country

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thank you thank you thank you

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very very ken you got any shout outs for

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us i do first of all i want to shout out

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to doug and christy which is 130 miles

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and i want to say uh a shout out real

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quickly to uh dick and marilyn of the

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oklahoma ufo paranormal group and folks

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seminar in august third of uh this year

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a shout out to all those folks thanks

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wow that that's gonna be amazing show

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ken that's awesome yeah yeah i think

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it's gonna be really good we got some

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good we got some good cases mj that

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we're going to exhibit so yeah i think

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out and that's what i got for some

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office news there ken

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yeah and i think our listeners are going

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entertaining educational

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and informative we have a great guest

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tonight kevin randle he's been on before

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researcher um top notch

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tonight that i think are not only going

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to be provocative

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and to stimulate your mind if anybody

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ever wants to check out kevin's work you

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kevinrandall.blogs.blogspot.com i can't

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get the blogs tonight but he puts it oh

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that's a tough one but yeah great great

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information from kevin uh he posts on

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there almost daily sometimes it depends

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like he said when he gets to it but but

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good good stuff and uh tonight you know

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a big controversy that uh you know we've

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a big fan of are these roswell slides

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what are your thoughts ken

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you know and in all honesty i uh i've

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tonight ladies and gentlemen okay um and

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and and that is uh i am an objective

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skeptic when it comes to

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ufos flying saucer i don't like that

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term ufos because that's a government

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term but so i'm talking about e.t and

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flying saucers and i'm an objective

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skeptic

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however i believe 110 that we have been

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visited we are being visited and that

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uh mj and um and we'll bring kevin in

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the roswell slide when they first broke

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the news and was putting it up on the

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isn't quarterbacking monday monday

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of the of the topic

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well kevin is on the line welcome to

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paying radio kevin we're glad to have

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you back and we're taking you away from

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something you really love tonight we

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appreciate you being here

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well thank you very much and i enjoyed

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the opportunity to get to wiscanson

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why the name roswell for the slides i

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slides that was a name given to them by

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so the roswell slides became sort of a

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i had started calling them not the

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that's what don and thomas said

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but it's this linkage between this was

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one of the alien creatures that had been

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that's what everybody sort of thought

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i had said and you can go back and read

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the blog posting so i actually have

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documented evidence that i thought this

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was going to turn out poorly from

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that many many times and some of the

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reservations i had about the way things

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and hey again kevin sorry to i don't

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vouch for what you said i i saw some of

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the postings that you did from the very

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one of these deals and is kind of you

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know a government type thing well we've

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got this information we're going to keep

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it quiet and we'll dole it out as we

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um and and from what i was learning from

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people around this whole thing it just

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of the problems was was the lack of

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provenance we didn't know where the

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that they were found in during a

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cleaning out a house for an estate sale

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and the slides were traced back to

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bernard and hilda ray but there's no

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evidence of that you know it's they've

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two slides had hilda ray's name on it or

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bernard on them

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we just didn't have a good provenance

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for them and i always said that's going

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to be a major stumbling block unless you

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can prove where they were taken

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um

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how they managed to get into what would

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have been a highly restricted area

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exhibit camera photograph this thing

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that's supposedly highly classified and

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get out with the cameron film intact

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than just a mystery to me uh

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and i i hoped that they would have

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better explanations for all of this

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they had the may 5th great reveal but

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there was no answers

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to the questions and so when we finally

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got a good look at the slides i think it

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was clear to 90 percent of the people

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that what was shown in in the slides was

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a money

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desert southwest of the united states

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well and

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i was one of those people when i when i

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uh that it had been photoshopped okay

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case i think they are actual slides or

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actual photographs but as you as you

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they're a mummified child

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well it's clear there's a real slide

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there's two real slides and it's clear

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i i think the slides were taken in the

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1940 time frame i think that

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is is probably true

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but it's completely and totally

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irrelevant

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um and and it i had asked tom carey back

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in december you know i was trying to

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think of

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if the slides don't show an alien

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creature what could they possibly be

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and i went through a number of books i

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had on science fiction movies

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thinking that maybe it was some kind of

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a construct for for one of the movies

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and i found nothing there

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um

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magazine covers from the late 30s early

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40s to the 1950s where you've got lots

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of bizarre looking aliens on it

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so there was sort of a maybe an

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inspiration but the only thing i could

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really think of was it would be a mummy

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and i asked tom that specifically in

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december i said could this be a mummy

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and he said no absolutely not we've

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looked at 500 mummies and it's not any

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they were looking for the specific mummy

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as opposed to what do they look like

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right and there's literally thousands of

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pictures of mummies online from the

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egyptian mummies to uh the mummies from

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the desert southwest which wasn't i

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guess they didn't mummify the

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um their dead specifically but the the

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thank you very much i just washed these

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lips i can't do a thing with them but

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yeah yeah i mean all of you're right

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there you have all of these even the

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chinese have mummies there's lots and

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lots of samples out there and right good

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point and i'm thinking when tom said

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well there's

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we didn't

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it's not a mummy

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i think he was speaking specifically we

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haven't found that specific mummy as

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opposed to well it looks an awful lot

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like mummies

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right

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no i i i think that's a point well made

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and well

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and and this is

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this is where

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i sit kevin and to our listeners is

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when when somebody makes a a claim and

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they tie it to

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roswell

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okay and i'm one of these people i think

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roswell is the hinge pin

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of

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okay

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i think roswell is the if you can

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destroy

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the evidence of roswell and show that it

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was something mundane as a balloon or

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experimental craft that the army air

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force was testing then the air goes out

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of the study of ufology

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and then we are back

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to square one however

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that's not the case and so when you have

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uh examples that are tied directly to

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roswell i i go over in the skeptic

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column right away you're going to have

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to prove to me

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i'm going to be the devil's advocate

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you're going to have to show me i'm

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going to be from missouri you're going

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to have to go proof beyond a reasonable

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doubt i'm going to be the cop

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okay you're going to have to to show me

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that a crime was committed and these are

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the suspects you're going to have to

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prove to me that

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this is the real deal and and that was

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never forthcoming

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this is going to

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shift the paradigm you've got the

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evidence and when you see the slides not

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the not the screen screen uh

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shot that we had

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starting in what march or late february

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march when you see the actual slide

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you'll understand what we're talking

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about and we have all these experts

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lined up

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uh anthropologists and biologists and

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all these experts lined up explaining

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what exactly you're seeing and why it's

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not a mummy and we've got all this

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evidence we're going to present and when

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we get to may 5th we don't get that we

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get three guys one of them's a good pal

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of of tom carey

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one of them apparently advertises on

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jaime musan's television program in

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mexico and i'm not sure where they found

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the other guy but we don't get a wide

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range of scientific opinion

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we don't get good looks at the slides i

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think they only really showed one of

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them

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you know

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a good shot of one of them not both of

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them and what is really unbelievable is

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that

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in the in the slide can't be read and

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they've said it right right

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well there could have been there should

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have been all kinds of red flags black

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on that one and keep in mind uh ladies

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and gentlemen

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kevin and i were never asked to look at

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the slides were you no

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no i mean i was cut out cut out

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specifically wow yeah me too and and but

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but the thing was with the with the

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placard

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uh we're told well we we gave it to this

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air force officer and had the photo

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interpretation team at the pentagon look

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at that

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the photo interpretation team they're

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referring to is not at the pentagon it's

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at fort meade maryland

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their job is not to be to to

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de-blur placards in slides their photo

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interpretation

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arena is somewhat different so the fact

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they couldn't read it is kind of

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irrelevant

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but once a better quality scan was

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available it was de-blurred in a matter

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of hours

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this could have been resolved

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long ago

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had had those qualities uh slides been

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available

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to anybody who wanted to look at it i

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mean they're saying now well you see

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they originally said it was script on it

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manila they're blurring it and seeing

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block letters but you go back and you

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ask the people about that and they say

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well it's because of the blurring

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process and the copy of the scans that

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we got it looks slightly like it was was

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cursive as opposed to block lettering

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but

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when you have people around the world

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applying

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computer programs to this thing and

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getting the same result

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you know what it says

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hey kevin i have a question for you

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do you think

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i i know you are that's why i'm going

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through that

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and

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don't agree on everything but i

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certainly respect

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uh your directness and your forthcoming

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you're very direct and you you argue

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your point

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very well and i want you to know i

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appreciate that so my question to you

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sir

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you think it was intentional

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yes

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you me too okay but but

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i would qualify that

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by saying it was adam

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do and joe bieson

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who intentionally manipulated the data

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i think tom kerry

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is sometimes overly enthusiastic

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for the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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and i think he allowed himself to be

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blinded a little bit by the

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uh by the possibility this would tie

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into roswell but but and and i know that

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don schmidt was

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uh impressed by the scientific analysis

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that they were getting suggesting it's

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not a mummy and here's the reasons why

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so i think

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i think it was adam do and joe beason i

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didn't know really what it was

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what about hami massan yeah yeah i

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i don't think he

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knew up front

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i think i think i think that that he was

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kind of sucked into this thing and um

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and and it was sort of caught off guard

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by how quickly

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the thing blew up

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uh once this once a slide was decoded

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one of the things he was saying well i

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want to see another slide you know

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another picture of this mummy

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shoot who was it somebody found a

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picture

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um from from a photo collection it was

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was put up on the internet in 2008

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well and see and uh kevin that's where

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you and i

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we split the sheets because i think he

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did

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okay and i think it was being promoted

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i'm not sure i'm explaining this

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correctly so but i think it was being

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promoted uh as the

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ultimate

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uh to

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uh the roswell issue and it was going to

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put to rest uh

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the issue of e.t and flying and flying

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saucers and and you know the smoking gun

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if you will yes yes that would be

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promoted exactly like that okay well i

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mean think about that for a second and

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that's the reason i'm playing the cop

509
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i'm sorry but that's just where i sit

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okay i look for motive and and what i

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see that

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in order to be a promoter of something

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you either believe in it or you're a

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snake oil salesman

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okay i'm sorry but i i i that's that's

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and so if i'm promoting something if i'm

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saying that kevin randle has the uh

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smoking gun and we're gonna we're gonna

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exhibit it uh you know next month on uh

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we're going to have a press conference

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we're going to invite all the

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the major news area and all the skeptics

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uh all the fill classes out there

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we're going to we're going to exhibit

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this well for me to do that i have to

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believe

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that what you have is the real deal and

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therefore i would have researched it

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investigated talk to you directly um

530
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you're going to have to sell me that

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that's the real deal

532
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and i think i i think that adam do

533
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and i think that jill beason

534
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we're doing that

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selling it

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uh as the real deal

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well why wouldn't um hassan

538
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i don't know i'm simply throwing it out

539
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there and i'm not being critical of him

540
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but i don't know jaime

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i know i don't either i know tom carrey

542
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and i do not believe that either one of

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them would be party to a hoax knowingly

544
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party to a hoax i think they were duped

545
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i think part of the problem was that's

546
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okay i think part of the problem was

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they truly wanted to believe this

548
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you've got um the fellow in albuquerque

549
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who had been at the

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air base back in 1947 who claimed to

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have seen the bodies and he's shown

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a picture of it he says well that looks

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like what i saw

554
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and you've got some

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anthropologists

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who are saying that this can't be a

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mummy because the measurements don't

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come out and that there are

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00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,400
abnormalities to the body

560
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,320
uh so you've got that sort of thing

561
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,120
going on and i think that

562
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,600
at least in the in the case of tom and

563
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,029
they were

564
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,799
willing to believe they wanted to

565
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,720
believe so badly that they were

566
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,559
overlooking some of the red flags that

567
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,919
were flying

568
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:23,679
and as i said the first thing that i

569
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,080
thought of once we got more information

570
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,320
about it was this lack of provenance

571
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,640
they were saying well i i know that uh

572
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,960
tony begaya was telling me that they had

573
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,320
the provenance i knew where they came

574
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:36,159
from it came from this bernard

575
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,880
uh

576
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,320
hilda ray

577
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,400
and once we got more information about

578
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,000
it we realized that there isn't nothing

579
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,720
to tie them to those specific slides we

580
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,400
are told the slides were found in other

581
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,480
slides owned by them but we don't know

582
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,400
that there's no way to prove that

583
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:52,799
and even if bernard and hilda ray had

584
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,600
taken the pictures

585
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,200
it didn't matter because we could not

586
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,200
interview them they weren't

587
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,360
right the chain of custody was broken at

588
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,919
the point uh there was discussion about

589
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,440
who owned the house the slides were

590
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:07,360
found in at the time they were found was

591
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,240
it had it been part of the uh hilda ray

592
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,720
estate or there was talk about her

593
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,480
lawyer had owned it for a while we don't

594
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,240
know if it was vacant for two or three

595
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,080
years okay well let me ask you this

596
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,400
kevin and those are all valid good

597
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:22,960
points and so my question to you sir is

598
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,760
why wasn't that done

599
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,600
there i i don't think there's any way to

600
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,559
to

601
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,559
um

602
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:31,679
i don't think there was any way to

603
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,400
really

604
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:35,039
document any of that but you but but you

605
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:38,640
but you you you just asked all the right

606
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,280
questions in order to validate those

607
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:44,159
slides yes and my point is i don't think

608
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,600
they could do it once the slides

609
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,080
appeared in chicago oh okay i see what

610
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,600
you're saying okay once the cat's out of

611
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,760
the bag it's a little bit you could not

612
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,240
go back he said here's these slides can

613
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,840
you prove they came from hill to ray's

614
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,120
collection i know they really couldn't

615
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,120
we have pictures from the hilda ray

616
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,039
collection but we don't know these were

617
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,679
part of it the numbering sequence you

618
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,520
know how do the number we were we were

619
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,240
showed slides number nine and eleven

620
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,760
on the on on the slides there's nine and

621
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,679
eleven what's what's on slide number ten

622
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,360
right yeah

623
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,520
the dad have given it away what about

624
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,679
number twelve yeah exactly right or

625
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,679
number eight but i mean what's what's

626
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,440
important is you've got nine and eleven

627
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,600
and ten is is really critical well and

628
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,760
that goes to it goes to the question i

629
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,919
asked earlier that's to me that shows

630
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:29,120
intent

631
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,919
that it was being promoted as such

632
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,000
and and and from what i understand from

633
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,120
don and tom they never saw the actual

634
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,679
slides they saw scans

635
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:43,520
the same thing with tony begalia he

636
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:46,799
never saw the actual slides well then

637
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,279
see why wouldn't i'm sorry and this is

638
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,520
where i get that yes i know you're going

639
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,279
with this i can understand it they

640
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:54,880
should have demanded to see the slides

641
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,640
yes exactly bingo bullseye ten ring

642
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,039
and and i know that when um

643
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,520
uh the slides were dated

644
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,679
by the expertise kodak

645
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,960
um

646
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,880
i think it was adam doo who was there

647
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,679
but but neither tom nor don were there

648
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,600
to to watch the process and listen to

649
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,880
what he said i know that some of the

650
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,760
skeptics lance moody for example and and

651
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:19,520
um

652
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:23,039
billy cox the the reporter who runs the

653
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:24,320
devoid

654
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,440
column down at in miami um

655
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,559
they both

656
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,559
uh called the expert

657
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,320
and the expert was saying well i never

658
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,720
really said it quite that

659
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,080
positively

660
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,720
um so that sounds like a

661
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,520
backstroke to me man

662
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,440
but but but well it could well be but

663
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,760
it's also i i've noticed i've noticed

664
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,200
and i try to be careful with this that

665
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,279
people will say something

666
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,520
um and the best example i have of this

667
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,679
is clifford stone

668
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,200
told me

669
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,120
that the chilean air force had attempted

670
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,440
to intercept a flying saucer

671
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,919
they fired on it hit it and there was no

672
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,360
damage done

673
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,039
and when i got a hold of the documents

674
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,960
what they actually said was the chilean

675
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,799
air force intercepted it and fired on it

676
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,640
with no results

677
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,320
didn't say anything about it hitting it

678
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,760
that was that's a big that's a big

679
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,919
difference yes that was clifford stone's

680
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,600
interpretation they had hit it and it

681
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,679
didn't do any damage but they could have

682
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:24,400
they could have missed well hell yeah

683
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,200
exactly

684
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,640
and that so that's that's an important

685
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:29,760
point so i think of you know the guy in

686
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:33,360
uh the expert in in um albany new york

687
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,360
heights or kodak is saying one thing

688
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,200
uh and i think that adam do may have

689
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,159
misinterpreted what he said and and so

690
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,480
when he was called on that

691
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,799
the uh the guy in in albany said well

692
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,159
that's not quite what i was saying were

693
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,799
quite not quite what i meant

694
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,760
hey kevin i got a question for you

695
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,159
another one

696
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,240
i'm writing faster than yours got a lot

697
00:27:03,190 --> 00:26:59,840
of questions we're not going to get to

698
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:05,510
but let me ask you something do you

699
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,760
think that there is legitimate bodies

700
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,720
that occurred on the roswell issue yes

701
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,640
me too and i think and i think there's

702
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,159
photographs we just don't happen to have

703
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,440
any of them i i am one thousand percent

704
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:19,679
on that i think they exist i think the

705
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,640
bodies still exist i can't imagine

706
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,480
i can't imagine them getting

707
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,679
they whoever they are and i have you

708
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,559
know opinion about that but they have

709
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,279
still have that carcass oh absolutely

710
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,480
you're not going to destroy a unique

711
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,720
biological oh hell no man you have to be

712
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,039
a freaking fool to do that what are the

713
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,279
odds you're going to get another one

714
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,799
bingo right exactly

715
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:45,760
so so yes that stuff still exists okay

716
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,590
and and the other thing the other thing

717
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,799
we didn't get to

718
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,720
was that that jaime lausanne was saying

719
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,559
i will not believe it until a second

720
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,960
picture shows up the second picture was

721
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,360
found it was posted to the internet in

722
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,320
2008 so clearly it wasn't a fake

723
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,240
although they said it was photoshop but

724
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:09,440
it wasn't and then the

725
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,880
park service down at mesa verde or

726
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:14,960
montezuma's castle down at the four

727
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,880
corners area of of the southwest

728
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,399
friday and friday afternoon friday

729
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,760
evening dumped a whole bunch of

730
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:23,039
documents

731
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,760
to

732
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,480
researchers shepard johnson uh initiated

733
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,840
with dufoy and a lot of other

734
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,279
researchers got it and he sent it out to

735
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,039
a lot of people and now we've got a

736
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,080
picture of the of the um

737
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,520
we've got a whole uh description of the

738
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,840
body based on the scientific analysis

739
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,600
done by the guys who actually handled it

740
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,880
as opposed to guys who are looking at a

741
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:44,480
picture

742
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,880
in 1938 of it

743
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,679
so we have now not just one additional

744
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,679
photograph we've got two additional

745
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,000
photographs and it's clear exactly what

746
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,480
it is it's this poor unfortunate child

747
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,440
who's being exploited in today's arena

748
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,760
uh as as an alien creature and it's not

749
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,320
it's a poor unfortunate child who died a

750
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,320
thousand years ago

751
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,600
well and

752
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,559
i

753
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,679
see that's

754
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,760
i go back to intent i don't think that's

755
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:15,760
accidental there are there were people

756
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:18,799
behind it that were that knew the truth

757
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,159
oh yeah and and yet it was being uh i i

758
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,760
like the word exploited if you will

759
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,480
oh absolutely and i think i think it i i

760
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,240
always thought of this i and i said it

761
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,000
long before may 5th i said you know i

762
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:34,080
always thought of this as alien autopsy

763
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,039
light

764
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,480
they didn't go to all the trouble to

765
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,039
fabricate a big

766
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,799
thing they didn't get all the trouble to

767
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,919
film it

768
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,600
so that it would look it would look

769
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,760
better but they have these two slides

770
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,399
and i asked i asked repeatedly how do

771
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,440
you get from pictures

772
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,360
on the slide

773
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,600
to alien creatures how do you make that

774
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,600
leap right right and nobody had an

775
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,520
answer for that right no and that's a

776
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,760
very valid question because you know a

777
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,600
photograph is one thing

778
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,240
is there any dna to support that i mean

779
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,600
exactly if aliens in fact have dna well

780
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,240
yeah yeah i don't know but but yeah what

781
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,320
other physical evidence do you have

782
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:17,039
other than a a slide or a photograph

783
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,080
and you don't have you don't have a

784
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,840
provenance for it you don't know when it

785
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,760
was taken you don't know who took it

786
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,080
you don't know the circumstances of it

787
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,799
being taken you have no chain of custody

788
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,279
so you can't prove prove the raise ever

789
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:31,120
owned it you've got absolutely nothing

790
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,559
but these two slides and the one in the

791
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,720
middle is missing you've got a placard

792
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:37,360
that i believe had to be manipulated

793
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,880
um so that it wouldn't be read

794
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,960
and until adam do put on his website i

795
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,679
think on may 6th the day the next day he

796
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:47,520
put up a better quality

797
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,080
picture of a better quality scan of this

798
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,279
and it was it

799
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,120
hours later it was decoded saying you

800
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,640
know here is a

801
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,360
mummified child right right guys guys

802
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,440
we've we've reached our break here we're

803
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,799
listening to paying radio on the

804
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:04,799
inception radio network we have on kevin

805
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:07,840
randle talking the roswell slides we're

806
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,789
yeah we'll be 888-919-2355 back all

807
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,640
right nobody wants to hear mainstream

808
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big brother radio feeding you the same

809
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811
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guys always miss the good stuff on the

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break because we have uh we had a great

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going to hand it over to ken ken uh had

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a question or had a a comment well hey

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uh mj i i have to apologize to our

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listeners because we had a hell of a

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discussion yeah at the break type

904
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and and uh

905
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:00,000
uh

906
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,800
to a certain point and the question that

907
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,359
i asked him that we got into such a good

908
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,119
debate was

909
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,680
do does this and lorna turn up the

910
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,440
volume okay

911
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,400
that

912
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,520
did did this incident and i i don't

913
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,119
remember exactly how i phrased it but

914
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:21,440
this incident with the slides did it was

915
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,880
it detrimental to this study of ufology

916
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:26,000
did it

917
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,800
hurt

918
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,800
um the uh

919
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,800
the uh

920
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:33,760
issue of flying saucers in e.t

921
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:37,119
and kevin said

922
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,839
i think it's going to

923
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,200
okay simply because simply because

924
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,440
people always remember

925
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:45,200
the screw-ups

926
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,839
and and what i said was if you remember

927
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,079
bill buckner was a great baseball player

928
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,920
but everybody remembers the ball rolling

929
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,880
between his legs in the world series

930
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,079
game

931
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,960
and was the downfall of his team

932
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,480
in that world series they don't remember

933
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,079
all the buoyant plays he might have made

934
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,680
they remember that one screw-up and i

935
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,760
think with ufology

936
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:08,000
this got a lot of well a lot of play in

937
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:09,200
the you

938
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,000
you

939
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,160
ufo community against a ufological

940
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,520
community but i don't want to say a big

941
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,990
i'm glad you did that because i would

942
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,640
never ever be able to do it

943
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,680
but

944
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,359
you know it got a lot of interest in the

945
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,359
ufological community and the one thing i

946
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,599
noticed on my blog is

947
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,760
that when there was a discussion about

948
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,560
the slides going on i was getting you

949
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:34,640
know three times the number of hits that

950
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,400
i would get in a normal week so it was

951
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,000
something of great interest in the ufo

952
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,800
community but the problem is

953
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,320
people are going to remember that not

954
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,560
remember that the people who brought it

955
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,599
down

956
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,079
were members of the ufo community the

957
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,640
skeptics on one side but amongst the

958
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,960
skeptics who de blurred the the placard

959
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,960
and got the information were a number of

960
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,440
people who were uh leaning toward the

961
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,920
believer site as well so they had a a

962
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,680
coalition

963
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,359
of opinion

964
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,280
uh from from across the spectrum and i

965
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,440
and i think that is

966
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,000
something had that been done

967
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,000
earlier had that information been

968
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:15,680
allowed out earlier we wouldn't have had

969
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,560
this great fiasco in mexico city okay

970
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,680
and

971
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,040
excuse me just

972
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,119
yeah and ladies and gentlemen that's

973
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,200
where during the break i said i

974
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,040
disagreed

975
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,200
everything that he said up to and he and

976
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,040
you said it again kevin

977
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,520
and i think i well no no the point that

978
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,160
i'm going to make that makes my position

979
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,839
where i disagree with you i think you

980
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,079
nailed it when you said that there were

981
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,599
members of the

982
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,680
how did you pronounce it ufological

983
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,400
society no communicating community

984
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,760
well community uh those of us that uh do

985
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:51,920
serious research i i'm more of an

986
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:54,960
investigator but those of us that uh dig

987
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,920
into the meat and potatoes of the topic

988
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,880
okay we're not necessarily me

989
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,119
but there were those of us

990
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,079
that uh became part of the skeptic and

991
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:08,720
pointed out that it was what it was that

992
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,920
we found the truth and and i think that

993
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,520
gives us

994
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,000
those of us credibility i think that

995
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:18,079
would get credit for it well

996
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,520
we won't get credit about it if you

997
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,280
don't hey if you don't throw it back in

998
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,920
in the sp in the in the opposition phase

999
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,920
when i can't tell you how many times we

1000
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,440
have solved the case

1001
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,920
the you you the the the believer side of

1002
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,320
the the community has solved the case

1003
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,640
the skeptics get credit for it and then

1004
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:36,800
they use that to hammer us in the ground

1005
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,400
well and shame on then shame on us for

1006
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,400
allowing that to happen okay because i

1007
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,560
think that every time something like

1008
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:48,079
that shows up at cnn or on the blogs i

1009
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,599
think you have to

1010
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:52,079
i think it has to be addressed okay and

1011
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,599
whether they read it or believe it or

1012
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,839
not it's not relevant what is relevant

1013
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,520
is the fact the truth

1014
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,440
and the truth has no agenda and it's

1015
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:01,119
people like you

1016
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,560
i'm going to throw myself in there on

1017
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:04,960
this one that were raising all kinds of

1018
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,160
questions and became skeptical

1019
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,079
for the very reasons that you pointed

1020
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,240
out and to allow

1021
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,359
uh the opposition if you will to throw

1022
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,680
it back in our face i think is

1023
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,040
but we shouldn't think of them as the

1024
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,670
that's the problem we've had all along

1025
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,520
in this whole thing there's been the

1026
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,440
skeptics at one end and the believers at

1027
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,079
the other end and they argue with each

1028
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,480
other and the truth gets lost in the

1029
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,599
arguments

1030
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,400
and i think what this demonstrated to us

1031
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,560
especially with the roswell slides

1032
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,920
research group

1033
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,400
which was 10 or 15 different people from

1034
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,720
all parts of that spectrum working

1035
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,960
together to get an answer and i think

1036
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,599
that's what we need to do in in the ufo

1037
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,280
community at this point

1038
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,119
is

1039
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,520
remember that lesson and form a

1040
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,680
coalition or whatever

1041
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,760
and i'm not thinking of anything you

1042
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,720
know

1043
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,800
no organizational structure anything

1044
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,560
like that but a coalition of people who

1045
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,640
get together to look at the cases and it

1046
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,280
may not be the same guys on every case

1047
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,000
but maybe other people in other arenas

1048
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,440
getting together but working together

1049
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,560
rather than

1050
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,640
i've got my little piece of evidence and

1051
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,800
i'm not going to allow you to see it i

1052
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,760
agree 100 000 percent i i now we're back

1053
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,839
on the same wavelength

1054
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,200
that's what we need to do and that's oh

1055
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,800
no i agree that's going to eliminate

1056
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,400
that's going to eliminate this problem

1057
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,599
that we see where a case is solved and

1058
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,880
the people who

1059
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,560
find the evidence

1060
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,240
rarely get credit for it it's always

1061
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,119
well the skeptics did it well but once

1062
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,280
again now

1063
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,680
shame on us okay because we allow that

1064
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,000
to happen if we don't if we don't

1065
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:47,520
correct

1066
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,560
and and and reset

1067
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,880
the other problem the other problem is

1068
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,720
and and the coin helicopter case is the

1069
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:57,119
best example i can think of

1070
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,440
of of the skeptics throw something out

1071
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,040
some solution

1072
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,359
and the news media for example not

1073
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,520
wanting to be considered

1074
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,319
uh dumb except that explanation because

1075
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,839
they're not so stupid to believe in

1076
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,160
alien visitation but in the coin

1077
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,319
helicopter case i was reading philip

1078
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,319
class's analysis of it

1079
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,079
and he said some things in there that i

1080
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,880
knew just flat at were not true

1081
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,520
because coin and

1082
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:28,000
jessie who were the pilots

1083
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:28,800
had

1084
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:34,480
we all were army helicopter pilots and

1085
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,240
so when class said that that coin

1086
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,560
had inadvertently pushed the collective

1087
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,319
full down and that was why they were in

1088
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,720
this this descent

1089
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,760
and and jesse real jesse realized that

1090
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,520
he pulled up on the collective to stop

1091
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,160
the dissent and i and and i really

1092
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,760
realized immediately that would never

1093
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,640
happen

1094
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,359
because there's a procedure that's beat

1095
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,359
into you you might say

1096
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,280
that if i'm flying the aircraft and you

1097
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,640
see something that endangers the

1098
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,960
aircraft you say i've got it the guy

1099
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,040
holding the controls releases him and

1100
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,680
says you've got it and he takes over

1101
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,440
uh flying the airplane flying the

1102
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,480
aircraft

1103
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,160
jesse would have never

1104
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,000
pulled up on the collective without

1105
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,839
announcing it and taking control of the

1106
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,520
aircraft away from coyne who was the

1107
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,520
pilot in command at the time

1108
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,240
so so class said something well i talked

1109
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,920
to a guy who was a helicopter pilot

1110
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,760
doesn't tell us what his credentials are

1111
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,280
doesn't tell anybody got his helicopter

1112
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,400
training or he had ridden in a

1113
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,000
helicopter we don't know if he piloted

1114
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,079
the darn things but i knew that this

1115
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,680
would never happen and the argument well

1116
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,960
this would be

1117
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,680
a stressful situation because uh they're

1118
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,440
they're dealing with a flying saucer

1119
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,040
type thing and they're all stressed out

1120
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,880
about that i'm thinking

1121
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,200
nothing is more stressful with combat

1122
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,119
and we followed that procedure in combat

1123
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,359
for crying out loud we all knew to do

1124
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,040
that right these guys had the same

1125
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,680
training i did right i think given given

1126
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,280
the timing of this we probably went

1127
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,800
through flight school about the same

1128
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,760
time

1129
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,480
hey kevin it's reflexive

1130
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,079
i i mean you don't have to think about

1131
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,960
it it's it's something that you people

1132
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,400
that's the other thing that's the other

1133
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,319
thing i had an engine failure while i

1134
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:12,079
was in vietnam

1135
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,040
and

1136
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,040
i'm sitting there in the aircraft

1137
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,960
thinking here's what i need to do

1138
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,319
you know going through the procedure in

1139
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,680
my mind and i'd already done it

1140
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:21,119
instinctively

1141
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,480
everything was on he's going to lower

1142
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,000
the club i've already done that roll out

1143
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,760
the funnel already done that you know

1144
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,280
right done all that stuff that you

1145
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,200
needed to do look at the gas producer to

1146
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,440
make sure it is a you know there the

1147
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,680
engine has quit you know zero you pretty

1148
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:35,520
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1269
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1272
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1276
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1277
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1278
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become a part of irn

1279
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1280
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1281
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this again you go to inception

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and you subscribe for the insider's club

1283
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1284
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1285
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hello everyone lorian fenton here host

1292
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1293
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